Re: New boxed set.
Posted by greenstuff_gav on Oct 25, 2012; 12:04pm
URL: http://the-lost-and-the-damned.71.s1.nabble.com/New-boxed-set-tp7578552p7578962.html
i enjoyed reading your thoughts on the new box set; it's always interesting to read about old-school gamers trying out the new stuff :)
Couplea points i'd like to throw in tho
Regarding 40k Background:
I came to wargaming at the start of 2nd edition but picked up and loved Rogue Trader (even with its dodgy rules!) but as with many games / series 40k has gotten darker as it's evolved (just look at Discworld; what started as a fun satire has evolved into some quite dark storylines).
I personally prefer the Grimdark style for the game, wackier light-hearted stuff is more for movies and books.
Regarding New Editions:
40k had some major jumps; 1st to 2nd was near-enough a complete rewrite. 2nd to 3rd shifted focus from characters and individuals to units. 3rd to 4th reworked alot of the game from combat to vehicles. from 4th to 6th have mainly been tweaks; 6th's focus (or quite rightly "gimmick") is on flying vehicles and a new method of shooting (overwatch / Snapfire) as well as an overhaul of all the myriad of special rules, condensing them into the main book.
Regarding Miniatures:
GW are "heroic" scale 28mm, so are more like 30mm (measure foot to eye) while Hasslefree are 25 / 28mm scale and are more "realistic" in their proportions.
This is deliberate; GW's focus on the "4 year cycle" lends itself to more OTT heroic actions and setups and thus the miniatures and artwork reflect this alot more.
Regarding Pricing:
i've never been a fan of GW's "pay to win" strategies, but again, this comes back to the 4-year-cycle; you want a powerful force? buy the latest / most expensive releases.
the price of the starter sets have always been very good and when you consider people like Triple Helix sell at 20% off RRP and free shipping it makes the starters very good value (we totalled up the Ltd Edition box went on average for £120 on fleabay once broken down!)... even if full 1500 / 2000pt armies are still well above my hobby-budget!
Rob, i tried the catachan arms on the new cultists and they don't fit at all :(
the Cadians work, but need a fair bit of work to distress 'em; removing armour plates and adding tears to the sleeves etc...
ojn the whole? i'm a fan of 6th's starter set and the rules themselves aren't too terrible (there are several things i have issue with; Fliers, Overwatch and Hammer of Wrath being my top ones).
On the whole? i'll stick to Inquisitor, thank you very much :)
URL: http://the-lost-and-the-damned.71.s1.nabble.com/New-boxed-set-tp7578552p7578962.html
i enjoyed reading your thoughts on the new box set; it's always interesting to read about old-school gamers trying out the new stuff :)
Couplea points i'd like to throw in tho
Regarding 40k Background:
I came to wargaming at the start of 2nd edition but picked up and loved Rogue Trader (even with its dodgy rules!) but as with many games / series 40k has gotten darker as it's evolved (just look at Discworld; what started as a fun satire has evolved into some quite dark storylines).
I personally prefer the Grimdark style for the game, wackier light-hearted stuff is more for movies and books.
Regarding New Editions:
40k had some major jumps; 1st to 2nd was near-enough a complete rewrite. 2nd to 3rd shifted focus from characters and individuals to units. 3rd to 4th reworked alot of the game from combat to vehicles. from 4th to 6th have mainly been tweaks; 6th's focus (or quite rightly "gimmick") is on flying vehicles and a new method of shooting (overwatch / Snapfire) as well as an overhaul of all the myriad of special rules, condensing them into the main book.
Regarding Miniatures:
GW are "heroic" scale 28mm, so are more like 30mm (measure foot to eye) while Hasslefree are 25 / 28mm scale and are more "realistic" in their proportions.
This is deliberate; GW's focus on the "4 year cycle" lends itself to more OTT heroic actions and setups and thus the miniatures and artwork reflect this alot more.
Regarding Pricing:
i've never been a fan of GW's "pay to win" strategies, but again, this comes back to the 4-year-cycle; you want a powerful force? buy the latest / most expensive releases.
the price of the starter sets have always been very good and when you consider people like Triple Helix sell at 20% off RRP and free shipping it makes the starters very good value (we totalled up the Ltd Edition box went on average for £120 on fleabay once broken down!)... even if full 1500 / 2000pt armies are still well above my hobby-budget!
Rob, i tried the catachan arms on the new cultists and they don't fit at all :(
the Cadians work, but need a fair bit of work to distress 'em; removing armour plates and adding tears to the sleeves etc...
ojn the whole? i'm a fan of 6th's starter set and the rules themselves aren't too terrible (there are several things i have issue with; Fliers, Overwatch and Hammer of Wrath being my top ones).
On the whole? i'll stick to Inquisitor, thank you very much :)
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