Re: S&W "White Box" clone of the first ever D&D system
Posted by Billiam Babble on Feb 19, 2010; 5:44pm
URL: http://the-lost-and-the-damned.71.s1.nabble.com/S-W-White-Box-clone-of-the-first-ever-D-D-system-tp4568607p4599169.html
No worries, dude, - I think when a company tries to re-own and rewrite heritage we have a lot to lose unless we speak up. My knowledge is far too sketchy and a little knowledge is a dangerous thing etc. Reading about, I've made a few discoveries - apparently the saving throw system doesn't resemble early (O) D&D (1974), it's an S&W playability compromise. I'm still divided about OGL games, myself. Basically, if it's cheap or free, I'm in.
Unless, of course I can find a market niche myself, then I'm a total convert and OGL whore. 
Cleric = Vampire Hunter. Now that makes a lot of sense.
"Cleric" just doesn't have that exciting ring does it? But then when I used to think of "Monk"s I used the imagine the characters from the KP Crisps adverts ...
Okay, I've been scouring the web. It turns out that Wizards (WoC) did, for a short time, provide pdfs of the white box rule books (pre-dated by the "brown box", you're right), but have stopped for reasons that verge on capitalistic paranoia (theories abound). A friend sent me a pdf of the Chainmail rules a couple of years agao, but I found it indecipherable and it's become lost on a memory stick somewhere.
However I rediscovered some priceless documents (on esnips.com). With your permission, Mortis, I'll upload the pdfs to the forum and start a thread on White Box D&D Men and Magic etc. + Greyhawk and Blackmoor (+original Chainmail). We can wait for the lawyers to call, before we remove them. ;)
The whole Gygax vs. Arneson tale is rather odd - I find it hard to filter the folk lore theory from the facts, but it definitely stems from the relationship between Chainmail and those early rule books.
Nice piccie! That goblin guard is essential for warding off ebay-ers and temptations of online selling.
Also I adore my 1980's Basic (Red Box) D&D set. - We may have run a thread on that particular branch of boxed games. :)
There's some real gems in those dragonsfoot forums - I think it was in a forum like that I found some OD&D players come down very hard on a Basic player, which I found rather bizarre - Popular People's Front of Judea ... Splitter!
URL: http://the-lost-and-the-damned.71.s1.nabble.com/S-W-White-Box-clone-of-the-first-ever-D-D-system-tp4568607p4599169.html
No worries, dude, - I think when a company tries to re-own and rewrite heritage we have a lot to lose unless we speak up. My knowledge is far too sketchy and a little knowledge is a dangerous thing etc. Reading about, I've made a few discoveries - apparently the saving throw system doesn't resemble early (O) D&D (1974), it's an S&W playability compromise. I'm still divided about OGL games, myself. Basically, if it's cheap or free, I'm in.
Unless, of course I can find a market niche myself, then I'm a total convert and OGL whore. Cleric = Vampire Hunter. Now that makes a lot of sense.
"Cleric" just doesn't have that exciting ring does it? But then when I used to think of "Monk"s I used the imagine the characters from the KP Crisps adverts ...
Okay, I've been scouring the web. It turns out that Wizards (WoC) did, for a short time, provide pdfs of the white box rule books (pre-dated by the "brown box", you're right), but have stopped for reasons that verge on capitalistic paranoia (theories abound). A friend sent me a pdf of the Chainmail rules a couple of years agao, but I found it indecipherable and it's become lost on a memory stick somewhere.
However I rediscovered some priceless documents (on esnips.com). With your permission, Mortis, I'll upload the pdfs to the forum and start a thread on White Box D&D Men and Magic etc. + Greyhawk and Blackmoor (+original Chainmail). We can wait for the lawyers to call, before we remove them. ;)
The whole Gygax vs. Arneson tale is rather odd - I find it hard to filter the folk lore theory from the facts, but it definitely stems from the relationship between Chainmail and those early rule books.
Nice piccie! That goblin guard is essential for warding off ebay-ers and temptations of online selling.
Also I adore my 1980's Basic (Red Box) D&D set. - We may have run a thread on that particular branch of boxed games. :)
There's some real gems in those dragonsfoot forums - I think it was in a forum like that I found some OD&D players come down very hard on a Basic player, which I found rather bizarre - Popular People's Front of Judea ... Splitter!
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