Play testers wanted SC order and equip cards

[Evilgoat]

Hey everyone,

I have uploaded some new space crusade order and equipment cards for the 3 original marine chapters, I have tried to keep the equipment cards as close to the original bias of the squads with blood angels hand-to-hand, imperial fists ranged attack and ultra marines a mixture of the two. some of the cards are designed to complement some of the original cards, in turn making them more appealing, for example the ultra marines bio scanner when used with one of the new cards becomes quite a deadly advantage.
the blood angels also have extra cards that make the "bolter squad" something you will want to do.

due to lack of players at the moment, I am looking to you guys to playtest some of these extras, in total there is 4 new order cards and 5 new equipment cards per chapter. I am looking for some good feedback. tell me what works? what doesn't? It may play out totally different to how I'd designed them.

for printing just centre the image on page and print on the front and back. the files should be good to print.
any dramas with printing let me know.

If no one gets time to playtest these cards, have a look and let me know what you think
cheers.


Blood_Angels_Front.jpg
Blood_Angels_Back.jpg
Imperial_Fists_Front.jpg
Imperial_Fists_Back.jpg
Ultra_Marines_Front.jpg
Ultra_Marines_Back.jpg

[Tony1978]

Hi Evilgoat.
I saw your cards and some of them are very useful.  :)
You're pumping the poor marines!!

But let me ask or note something strange I found.

1) Fall back! - Now marines can act even in the Alien player turn, like the Eldar commander. Maybe this is an ability that should be given only to the speedy eldars.

2) Combined fire - I'm sceptical about giving a bolter the capacity to destroy a Dreadnought. Same doubt for the Eldar card with the same effect.

3) Red thirst - Is a plague an equipment? Well... ok, it can also be discarded during the battle by the Alien player (the commander has survived from his taint  :)  ).   But, the strange thing is another. You're introducing a "like an Order logic" into an equipment card. Also, this strange order card is effective all the time. I used to play with a card called "Black rage" (or similar), but effective only for a turn. In my experience I think that this card should be revised.  :)

4) Artificer armour - I like it so much!! But what happens when the Alien player discard this card? Marines must undress themselves?  LOL

5) Ammunition packs - Even this card is a sort of perpetual order card, but you've balanced it with drawbacks. But, why call it ammo packs? Maybe you can call it "better ammo feeder" or "mastercrafted weapon" (or similar).

6) Narthecium - You give this card the 100% probability to restore a fallen brother. Maybe the Marine player should roll a die and if he obtain a zero the marine is ready to continue the battle. In my personal rules only the Apothecary can carry the Narthecium.

7) Kraken shells - It's a good idea! In fact marines with bolter are underpowered inside the space hulk. In my games I call them "experimental ammunition" (or similar).

8) Overwatch - Another example of using marines in the Alien player turn. But, do they play in their turn and also in the Alien player one? Or they need to lose their turn (marine turn) for playing into the Alien one?

9) Recon - It's an atipical logic. Usually marines can do the same action (move, fire) twice, not three times in a turn.

10) Iron Halo - I thought that the Iron halo protects only from ranged attack. That's why I assimilate it to the Force field of the Blood Angels commander.

11) Auspex upgraded - I cannot understand it. Maybe, when the Alien Event card "Auto defence system" is played, is it controlled by the Marine player instead of the Alien ?

Great work!!!

PS: did you use the Mortis template for the cards, or another one? And how do placed them exactly side by side?

[Evilgoat]

hey tony,
thanks for the feedback,

11) In regards to the "auspex upgrade"card, it has nothing to do with the alien event cards. I may have to re-word this card. how it is supposed to work is this, Inside the derelict hulk there is auto-defence weaponry in rooms and corridors, This card gives the commander the ability to take control one of these auto-defence weapons and make a missile launcher attack on any unrevealed blip (instead of his usual movement and fire) now if he then has the "bio scanner" card, he can have a peek at blips to see which ones he would like to attack. In turn making the "bio scanner" card quite useful. This combination gives the ultra marine squad a powerful boost, but I don't think its something that the commander will be able to do every turn as his fire power may be needed to help out his squad with more immediate threats more often then not.  

1, 8) the orders "Fall back" and "Overwatch" are to move and fire as usual in the marine turn, then do the extra movement or fire in the alien turn.
I know these cards look over powered, but basically "fall back" is just "move it" with a twist.
and "overwatch" is "fire" with a twist. allowing the marines a bit more strategic options.

"Artificer armour" is my personal favorite, I believe a card like this needed to be in the original game, I've always had a gripe about the blood angels bolter squad being a cool idea, but more times then not it ends in marine slaughter.

6) looking at the "narthecium" i've set it as a one use card similar to the eldar "warlocks warning" card. do you think it should be valid for the entire mission but have a dice determine the effectiveness of the revival?

9) with "recon" only one marine gets to travel the 18 squares, not as powerful as a "move it" where everyone moves twice, but it just adds another angle for strategy, where a marine can find out what is ahead then double back to the where the squad is and make preparations for their next move.

10) You are more then likely correct about the iron halo being only for ranged attacks, I've never played 40k, (I just like the artwork and back stories) :)

With the card layout tony, I just made them individually then arranged them on a document in photoshop, its pretty easy,
if you want some blanks I can make one up with a heap of different layers so you can make a cards for any team with the same base file.

cheers, thanks again for looking and giving feed back, I appreciate it.

[Tony1978]

6) My theory about Narthecium is that the Apothecary "tries" to heal a fallen marine, that's why there's not the 100% of probability to save him.
But, if we want to use simply rules, we can adopt the same logic of medikit (the one you adopted for your card).  :)


And, yes, I'd like to see your layout, and maybe use it (if you want) to my work.

Thank you!

[HeroQuestFrance]

Hello EvilGoat

I'm impressed by your new cards.
I printed it in B&W to play it yesterday with a player team who are crazy about SC.
You wanted feedbacks so here it is : it works very well and you especially suceeded in equalizing the forces for the weak imperial fist sergeant !
Congratulations.

Now here's a vital question : can you mail me the blank card to translate your work in french ?
I think there are a lot of fans who would like to test this too but in french ...
I would like to print the card (printer studios) to add it to my game.

[Evilgoat]

Tony1978,

i have just uploaded those Order and Equipment template files you were asking about, just click on the links,
they're about 20 meg each file... (psd files).  each marine chapter has there own colour coded 'layers' to make it easier, just hide which ones you dont want. let me know if you have any dramas.

I've just been looking for the best place to upload/host files... google drive will have to do for now.

Marine Equipment Card template
Marine Order Card Template


cheers

[Evilgoat]

hi HeroquestFrance,

Thanks for your feedback, I'm glad the playtesting game went well,
I'd be happy for you to translate the cards and i'll see what i can do about uploading the originals, I'm just trying to think which way would be best...if i uploaded them all individually they come to 1.2gig which may take awhile :P,  would you rather I uploaded them as they were originally put online in the printable format but without text, and at a bigger file size so you could just go in and add your own translated text?

[HeroQuestFrance]

Hi !

I just got your emails.

Many thanks for your quick answers.

Indeed  "would you rather I uploaded them as they were originally put online in the printable format but without text, and at a bigger file size so you could just go in and add your own translated text?" would be a faster solution to me.  I can translate all in one afternoon and give it to french fans by using photoshop.

About the psd you sent me it are great and I would like to thank you for this once again.

It will alow me to create new cards with it too.

regards,

richard

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Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2014 06:18:26 -0700
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Subject: Re: Play testers wanted SC order and equip cards

hi HeroquestFrance,

Thanks for your feedback, I'm glad the playtesting game went well,
I'd be happy for you to translate the cards and i'll see what i can do about uploading the originals, I'm just trying to think which way would be best...if i uploaded them all individually they come to 1.2gig which may take awhile :P,  would you rather I uploaded them as they were originally put online in the printable format but without text, and at a bigger file size so you could just go in and add your own translated text?

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[Tony1978]

Hi Evilgoat

Thanks for sharing.
Currently I'm using Paint Shop Pro instead of Photoshop, that's why I'm in a little trouble when I try to see the different layers, but the image is clear and in a good quality. I'll work on it.

[Evilgoat]

hi HeroQuestFrance,

sorry about the delay in getting back to you, I've just uploaded those blanks you were after. Good luck and let me know how you go with the it.


-Card blanks-
BLOOD_BACK.jpg
BLOOD_FRONT.jpg
IMPERIAL_BACK.jpg
IMPERIAL_FRONT.jpg
ULTRA_BACK.jpg
ULTRA_FRONT.jpg

[HeroQuestFrance]

Http://www.lessouterrainsoublies.fr/SpaceCrusade/TradFR.rar


This is the link to download the french translation of your nice work.

Thanks a lot !

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Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2014 21:37:33 -0700
From: [hidden email]
To: [hidden email]
Subject: RE: Play testers wanted SC order and equip cards

hi HeroQuestFrance,

sorry about the delay in getting back to you, I've just uploaded those blanks you were after. Good luck and let me know how you go with the it.


-Card blanks-
BLOOD_BACK.jpg
BLOOD_FRONT.jpg
IMPERIAL_BACK.jpg
IMPERIAL_FRONT.jpg
ULTRA_BACK.jpg
ULTRA_FRONT.jpg

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