Chaos Android Question

[Conorius]

Knows some one the Name of the Weapon from the Chaos Adroids in Space Crusade ?

[MortiS-the-Lost]

In Tyranid Attack's rule-book's 'Additional Force List' section (which basically allows you to re-use your Space Crusade models in Tyranid Attack) the Chaos Android's weapon is listed as a 'Doom Blaster' (whatever that is)

However in the equivalent 'Game Variants' section of the Advanced Space Crusade rulebook the Chaos Android's weapon is listed as an Autogun  

... and of course the newer 40K version of Chaos Androids - Necrons are armed with very similar looking weapons called 'Gauss Flayers'

to me the gun the Chaos Androids carry looks like some kind of energy weapon rather than an Autogun (it has no ammo feed or magazine and is much larger than most Autoguns) - so I'd say the 'Doom Blaster' is some kind of energy weapon

- and it could be speculated that 'Doom Blaster' is a 'nick name' for the Gauss Flayer given by imperial troops during early encounters with such weapons (which of course opens up the further debate of whether Chaos Androids are mistaken accounts of Necrons, Necrons that have been corrupted by Chaos or Robots built by Chaos Squats and/or renegade tech-priests)

on the Autogun side of the debate is the fact that Orks have Autogun-like weapons modified for incredibly high rate of fire called Mega-Blasters and the Chaos Android guns do bare some resemblance to the Reaper Auto-Cannons carried by Chaos Space Marine Terminators  

[Conorius]

1st)
The "Doom Blaster" was this what i mean!
I have forgotten the Name lol ;D

Chaos Andrids can have more weapons:

Autogun  
Bolter
Storm Bolter
Lasgun
...
But the Space Crusade Version is equipt ith the Doom Blaster.
Thanks you i know now again and can completed a page from my webpage thx

2nd)
Necrons are not Chaos Androids!!!
==========================
Chaos - Androids are like Imperial Robots made by Chaos Quats who put a Deamon into the Skeleton Maschine!

Necrons are the old Necrontyr Kind who give the C'Tan (Star Gods) a special living metalic body.
This Star Gods made Them to slave we are known as Necrons...
(Necron are Enemy of Chaos !)

[MortiS-the-Lost]

Conorius wrote

Chaos Andrids can have more weapons:

Autogun  
Bolter
Storm Bolter
Lasgun

Do you have examples? I've only ever seem them armed with the Doom Blaster - even the Epic ones

Conorius wrote

Necrons are not Chaos Androids!!!
==========================
Chaos - Androids are like Imperial Robots made by Chaos Quats who put a Deamon into the Skeleton Maschine!

Necrons are the old Necrontyr Kind who give the C'Tan (Star Gods) a special living metalic body.
This Star Gods made Them to slave we are known as Necrons...
(Necron are Enemy of Chaos !)

I'm not saying they are the same thing - let me explain further

While I am well aware of the background of both the Necrons and Chaos Androids ... the 2 do not coincide in the same version of the 40k background - but design wise they clearly share the same heritage. You see bits of the 40k background had been re-written quite a few times between Space Crusade and the time we saw the first of the Necrons

So the theory goes that for both to exist under the current background it's possible that the robot bodies of the Chaos Androids were at one time those of Necrons. It makes sense that Chaos Android could be demons in Necron Bodies - now who might have done this over laps with the fact that circa 2001 Squats were completely taken out of the 40k background (as in as far the the background is concerned they never existed to start with) but that is a discussion for another thread ...

http://www.starquest.de.cm/ is your website? Why do you have pictures of the Metal Prototype Space Crusade miniatures labelled as '2nd edition Miniatures'? - if you were referring to 40k editions as time periods please note that Space Crusade was first released in 1990, were as 40k 2nd edition was released much later in 1993

Also the body mounted weapons on the Chaos Dreadnought are twin Bolters not Lasers

[Conorius]

Yes is my Page!

from today have new URL under:

http://www.space-crusade.de
and
http://www.starquest.co.nr

The Page is for german to watch in german.

I work with Actioncom (my Friend) united on his page: http://www.actioncom.de
you find Editions there is a section with the Editions.

We both have a great idea to unide all Space Crusade Fans and made all Kind from 40k Playable for Space Crusade.

@Chaos Anroids
http://www.starbacks.ca/TimesSquare/1227/w40kchand.htm
on this page you find more posible weapons (but i don't know from where came the Sorce / maybe only fanmade )

on the 2nd ED. 1990 Space Crusade Box you can see a Android with Stormbolter or something like this (But Pistol like ) in Hands




The Epic Miniatur is nothing more as a Mini Version of the Starquest Miniaturs.
But Prototyps and buyable Version are all only with Doom Blaster

it is no another Figure released.

maybe it was planed but - later fallen with the end of space crusade. :(

@Necron
You know the golden C'tan in german is called "Gaukler"
i think when i look to new background is is posible the android body based on necron body
or necron on android body

the Gaukler kann have made his web of lies

or this came from the 4th C'tan called "Drachen" (Draoon) he is slaved by the Emperor on Mars.
and a lot of construcktions based on his work.

i dont say they are not familar but they are not the same.
I want this is all known
in german WD was a contest for Necrons 2nd ED 40k! ther was Androids and the MKX Dreadnougth used for Necron models.

from this time in german dont understand the difference

i hope my english was not to bad today i am very sleepy

[MortiS-the-Lost]

Ok, I you seem rather confused about this editions thing

There was only ever 1 edition of Space Crusade released
There were several Translations into different languages, but only ever 1 edition  

1st Edition Space Crusade was released in 1990 in Finnish, French, English and Dutch Translations (The Dutch version was the first to bare the name StarQuest)
Later in 1992 1st Edition Space Crusade was translated into Danish (Space Crusade), German (Starquest), Italian (Starquest), Spanish (Cruzada Estelar ) and Greek (Σταυροφορία στο Διάστημα)

All of these are 1st edition - there is no official 2nd or 3rd editions of Space Crusade

things that might have confused you are ...

The Prototype ...

 ^ This is a Picture of the Prototype from the Flyer that came in the Space Crusade and HeroQuest boxes. The artwork on the Cards and Cardboard components is different and the Miniatures are Metal Prototype Miniatures painted in the colours of the plastics

The prototype version can also be seen in the TV advert of Space Crusade ...


and different box art



 ^ There are alternative versions of the box art, used on the Translated version's boxes and the Computer Game's box -- the 'original' art work appeared on the English version (both versions appeared as White Dwarf covers)

Also see Board Game Geek.com's Space Crusade Section

[MortiS-the-Lost]

To further clarify I feel I must correct the information presented on http://www.actioncom.de/ 


 ^This is not 1st edition, this the prototype with the Dutch Translations of the rulebooks. It was used for the TV advert and several magazine adverts - however it was never released for sale to the public

The pictures the site has labelled as 2nd and 3rd editions are of the various different translations of 1st edition.

apart from this picture:

Which is another picture of the prototype used on the back of the 1st edition Space Crusade box. But it is not a picture of what comes in the box  

The Computer game - available on many formats including Atari ST, IBM PC (MS-DOS), Amiga, ZX Spectrum, Commodore 64 and Amstrad - is not an edition of the board game

and what is labelled as 5th edition (StarQuest 40,000) is fan made and not an official product at all

Also Voyage Beyond is an expansion for the computer game not the board game

[Conorius]

to the  http://www.actioncom.de/ stuff

1st the name STARQUEST is not dutch it is german (deutsch)
But StarQuest is english words but different to Space Crusade.
Star        = Stern
Quest     = Suchmission
Space     = Welltraum
Crusade = Kreuzzug

Space Crusade = Weltraum Kreuzzug
StarQuest          = Stern Suchmission (or)  Stern Suche
... we think this came from the bad translation of the game background with strong censorship

NOTE: In germany every deviant StarQuest divided into an Edition that appeared, depending on when they appeared!

The first 2 are Prototyps.
Actioncom said on his page the first edtion is sure ONLY a prototype.
Only the first have the Space-Hulk style books and the 2 mysterious blue dice.
The biggest difference is the dreadnought and androids are some unidentified aliens
and the game board is very differently.

The 2nd Edition (prototyp) 1990
This edition show Chaos Space Marines with all heavy weapons like Imperial Space Marines
and Commanders of both sides are shown with Bolters. (This is very different to the final 3rd Edition)
That the 2nd ED is a prototyp you can see on the cards on the back from your space crusade box!
You can see that it is glued paper on cardboard paper.
But there is still a strong holding rumorse this edtion Exist as Product.
But all we find is this british cover with all inside like the 3rd ED.

The 3rd Edition was in germany 1991 released.

The Video Game become an own Edition why is bring new Mission in a new campaign.
With it came the rules for 1 Zoll fat walls and doors who can crush a miniatur or even the dreadnought.
"A very funny part of it"
Or the soul sucker. ( They are sure made why gene stealer was do havy to paint lol )
With the Voyage Beyond Expantion came more cool rules and stuff like Ogryns and Flamer...

The 5th Edition is a Fake Picture which is only for looking!
This Edition  is Fan Made Version.
With a voted cover (by all german fans) and comes with a ruele book who stop strife and bring
the rulebook on a turnament level. It show 5 different way to play space crusade and give a mission generator.
plus optional rules who extra declarated and with other colors are represented.
The original rule book has holes like a cheese. This book aims to clarify issues.


BOX CONTENTS:
 - Mission Book               ( with true background 1st time in german )
 - Tournament Rulebook ( Cover by Adrian Smith - a pen pal of me )
 - 4 Game Boards            ( 7" x 10" big for printing on A4 letter, place for vehicles )
 - 2 Dockings Boards      ( 3" for vehicles )    
 - Blips and Tokens         ( Regular to normal version but colored for Ultramarines & Blood Angels Honor Badges )
 - Reference Cars for Chaos and Imperial Space Marines for an entire Army
 * the Alien Event cards are extra ( same by Orders & Equipment Cars )

@ MortiS-the-Lost
I hope the Space-Crusade.de Forum and yous can have a parnership with each other.
i linked you Forum on my web page space-crusade.de

[MortiS-the-Lost]

There seems to be a lot of mis-communication here

Space Crusade was called StarQuest in Netherlands, Italy and Germany, not because of translation but to more closely associate it with HeroQuest which was already a big hit in Europe.


This picture is of the original prototype, but with the Dutch rule books.
How do I know? because the Dutch version was released in 1990 around the same time as the English version, it was the first translation to carry the name StarQuest (Italian and German translations didn't come out until 1992) and thus the Dutch version was translated before the artwork for the released version was finalized.
Pictures of the original prototype were however used in a lot of promotional material, probably due to the fact MB began putting together the promotional material before GW had finished work on the game.  

Here's later promotional picture used in Europe in which you can see the finalized artwork on the board and cards, but a mock-up of the box with altered artwork, the figures appear to be the plastics, but it's hard to tell because of the size of the picture. (also note what appear to be yellow blip tokens in the bottom right corner)


 ^ Thought you might find this interesting 
 
A complete and correct list of all the official versions of Space Crusade can be found Here On Board Game Geek 

Conorius wrote

I hope the Space-Crusade.de Forum and yous can have a parnership with each other.
i linked you Forum on my web page space-crusade.de

Anything that brings more people to The Lost and the Damned Forum is most welcome

[Conorius]

The Prototyp Picture from promotional Letter i know and i am sure actioncom plan to pud it in his list.

but one think i must say the Bord Game Geek List is not correct
I get my StarQuest 1991 when the german Wall is fallen and the copy right is noted to 1990

[MortiS-the-Lost]

Conorius wrote

but one think i must say the Bord Game Geek List is not correct
I get my StarQuest 1991 when the german Wall is fallen and the copy right is noted to 1990

The copyright would be for the original (English) version which was released in 1990

if you believe the BGG listing to be wrong and you have evidence to back up your claim I suggest you submit a correction

[Evilgoat]

Conorius,
where can I view a copy of starquest 40,000? I am intreged, but the site isnt working for me, could you post another link, as I'm keen to view some of this work.

Cheers.